Ratiometric z stack

plugin
fiji
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#1

Hello
I would like to know if someone can help me to try to ratiometric analysis of a Z stack.
I have 2 channel of 20 image (16 bit) (please, see attached Max projection of channel 3 =C3 and channel 1=C1) I want to do a ratio between them.
After background subtraction and median filter , I try to Divide my channel 3 by channel 1, with the image calculator tool on FIJI. However, as a result I got an image which I cannot use for analysis (please see attached the figure: Montage Ratio 32 bit z stack).
I try to use max intensity of each channel and the result is the same a strange artifact that I cannot I figure it out (please, see attached figure: MAX ratio). I thought that if I can use a binary mask of 1 channel and multiply the stack I can solve the problem but still does not work properly.
Finally, I tried to use the plugin Ratio Plus but also did not work. I used the Max intensity projection to measure the mean background and use it in the plugin. I used as Stack 1 my Channel 3 and Stack 2 my channel 1, multiplication factor 10 or 100 and I did not get a good result.
I hope someone can help me with this doubt.
Thanks in advance,
Regards
Pablo M


#2

Hi @Pablo_M,

I don’t see any images, please try to upload them again or share a link to dropbox/googledrive.

You may need to threshold the images to get a sensible results so that the background does not resemble the foreground, something you need to consider when you are dividing images (100/50 and 0.1/0.05 both =2). And when you are doing background subtraction or any other processing on one channel, make sure the other channel receives the exact same treatment, or you could get false results in your ratio image.


#3

Hi @Sverre
Thank you for your comment. I upload the images again but in JPG because on tif format, did not work. The original file on tif is here https://drive.google.com/open?id=1uRPKpmPXQBrKkasE2cQqjGWWS51I9LE2
I am doing background subtraction or median in both channels previous to the ratio but still, I see aberrants results.
So, I have this doubt regarding threshold. If I have a z stack. How can I threshold the images?
I was thinking to use the -z project tool- and projected the average intensity of each channel, do the threshold and divide by 255 to have a binary mask, then multiply this mask against the z stack (each mask per its correspondent channel) and then do the ratio.
I do not know if this is correct.


#4

You can either threshold very gently to get a rough outline of the cell, or apply more advanced and more reproducible segmentation techniques. For my own FRET projects I used the trainable WEKA segmentation plugin to label the relevant cells.

With conservative thresholding you get something like this:

(Sum slices projection, 95% threshold applied to both channels. CH2/CH1, 32bit float output)


#5

Thank you Sverre, I am going to go ahead and try your recommendation and let you know how does it work. Thanks again for the help